1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,160 The most time on the study is Bob Lowe, assistant dean of the Graduate School and UFO project 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:09,480 coordinator. 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,560 His office is the center of project activities. 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,160 Lowe has two secretaries. 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:20,680 He also has a small library on UFOs, a modest selection of pictures and a mounting pile 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,240 of correspondence. 7 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:26,240 I asked if any large problems have come up in the project. 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:32,520 Well, the whole problem is a big puzzle. 9 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:38,080 I don't think one can say that eight big problems come up, but we certainly have a difficult 10 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,880 problem to pursue. 11 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:47,200 It's hard to know how to go about studying this thing. 12 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,320 How would you do it if somebody suddenly handed you the job? 13 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,080 You investigate unidentified flying objects, how do you go about doing that? 14 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:58,400 That's the problem that we've had and we've been wrestling whether it's a tough one, but 15 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,520 I think we're making some headway. 16 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:07,280 The overall director of the project is Dr. Edward Condon, one of the most experienced 17 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,720 and distinguished scientists in the United States or anywhere else. 18 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:16,160 He's a physicist and a former director of the National Bureau of Standards in Washington, 19 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:17,160 D.C. 20 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,520 Condon is one of the main reasons the Air Force chose the University of Colorado for 21 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,360 the UFO project. 22 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:29,680 At the top of impressive Gila Tower on the CU campus, I talked with Dr. Condon and asked 23 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,000 if he knows how the UFO study will now proceed. 24 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,040 Well, we're just getting started. 25 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:43,400 I must say that the last two and a half months or so that we've been looking into this indicate 26 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:50,640 that the total situation is much more complicated than we appreciated at first, so that while 27 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:57,040 we have some notions of what we're going to do, I don't have any feeling at all of a very 28 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,840 orderly or well organized thing at this date. 29 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:09,760 One of the most difficult things is that all of the phenomena are of such short duration 30 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:15,760 and the reports have a way of coming in after the thing is all over so that it looks almost 31 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:24,560 hopeless to plan on getting much in the way of being able to hop in a car and dash out 32 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,680 or hop in a jet plane and dash out and get there yourself and see it before it's all 33 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:36,320 over because most people that see things only report after they've seen it and it's 34 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:40,560 gone away and then they come in and use the telephone so it's too late. 35 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,320 So that's a great difficulty. 36 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:43,880 I don't mean to give up on that. 37 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:48,520 The important thing would be to try to do that and get some pictures, better pictures 38 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:54,920 and pictures of which we were sure of the reliability simply because our own people 39 00:02:54,920 --> 00:02:57,280 have taken them. 40 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:06,240 We would like to get some spectroscopic observations, but that too is difficult. 41 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:12,040 One of the things that's common to many of the reports, I don't mean statistically, 42 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:18,000 but in a good many of the common categories, people complain about ignition failures on 43 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:24,640 their cars and we're negotiating with some of the principal ignition engineers in Detroit 44 00:03:24,640 --> 00:03:30,200 to make a special study just on that phase of it. 45 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:35,960 I don't like to be more specific than that because it hasn't been fully set up yet, but 46 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:41,680 we've had indications that we can get a group together that will look into that for us. 47 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,880 That is characteristic is a good many people have reported. 48 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:56,400 Well, I'm not a medical man so I don't quite know what the proper term is, but people report 49 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:04,200 the feelings of heat or as if they're like diatherm and heat treatment being very, very 50 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:10,800 much overcome with a feverish feeling when something like an ufo was around when they 51 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:16,840 were a meeting by that they saw something at the same time feelings that would go away. 52 00:04:16,840 --> 00:04:21,760 So we're going to try to get some medical people to give a special attention to those 53 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,040 reports. 54 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:29,360 Of course, we'll look into all of the other things that have been suggested like the ball 55 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:36,160 lightning possibility and various other things. 56 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:43,160 Quite many of the things that have been suggested it must be said must be realized are things 57 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:49,880 that might be explanations of some of the reports, but I'm convinced there'll be no 58 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:54,760 one single thing that accounts for all of the reports simply because they themselves are 59 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,160 so so different in character. 60 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:03,560 As the UFOs have attracted public attention nationally, so have they drawn reaction to 61 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,400 the University of Colorado. 62 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,400 I asked Dr. Conn and about public reaction. 63 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,360 Oh, it's been very good. 64 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,320 We've had a very large amount of mail. 65 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:18,640 By that I would guess between seven or eight hundred to a thousand letters along in there. 66 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,320 Great many of them are from people that would like to have jobs and I suppose I ought to 67 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:29,200 say that there's not nearly as many jobs on this as people seem to think. 68 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:35,520 Secondly, a lot of people have written in to tell us about experiences they've had. 69 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:40,520 But many university people who have in other universities across the country have written 70 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:46,480 in to volunteer their help and I don't mean as job seekers in the sense of wanting to 71 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:52,000 be on the payroll but wanting to know what they can do cooperatively at their places. 72 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,880 So the acceptance that way is extremely good at this time. 73 00:05:55,880 --> 00:06:03,400 Our problem is just to try to make some rational sense out of this very complicated picture. 74 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,600 In a complicated picture it is. 75 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:11,440 Not only for the University of Colorado but for the Air Force, for private UFO organizations 76 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,800 and for plain Mr. Citizen who just wants some answers.